Occupy Sydney - GA Minutes Monday 16/04/12
#OSYD #OCCUPYSYDNEY
Jacob - Facilitation
Darcy - Time Keeper
Hugo - Minutes
#notes on minutes; May contain errors and mistranslation. Also includes paraphrasing.
Acknowledgement of Country
Annoucements/Reportbacks
Agenda Items:
OPEQUIP
PODCAST
DOMINOS VS NEPALESE RESTAURANT
TREATY
SHOWTRIAL OF POLICE COMMISSIONER
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Reportbacks
Jacob- City talk, WG voted to put Marc Ahrens forward as speaker and, if we are afforded two spots, Lil as second speaker . Also decided to extend the talk with our own forum after the event - in the form of free-school talks.
Bernie - couple of report backs; occupy friday occupy the courts. I was a tent monster. Walked from here down to downing st. Found it effective. Walking around in a tent caught people's attention, raised awareness.
Occupy Sydney zine; gmail and google group open. Wednesday for submissions. occupysydneyzine@gmail.com. Google group; occupy sydney zine. Meeting on Wednesday at 5pm at Martin Place.
Marc - report back on psychohegemony working group. I'm the only poster. Post infrequent and long emails. About to post response to an episode of the health report on Radio National. Norman Swan presents it, said some rather innacuraite things. I've written a 15pg response. Thinking of sending it to him. Biggest error was that he mischaracterised the argument against SSRIs. Took data that drugs work better than placebo. But in fact the skeptics have never said that. Went through papers, found that many of the Venroflaxine trails are biased funded by industry. I will post my response tonight to the Occupy Sydney Psychohegemony google group.
Jacob - Next working group on City Talk on Poverty and Plenty Forum will be on Monday 23rd at 5.30pm at Martin Place.
Kat - kitchen wg report back. Had a discussion last night. Pretty much just a start. Flooding of ideas. Went around the circle talking about food, where we get food from, food supply, ethics etc. Have a bunch of notes. Will be starting a google group to write up points and continue the discussion.
Bernie - I'm always buying food here and there and it would be good to know what keeps.
Darcy - at the moment we are going to scout dumpster dives from organic shops.
Kat - heaps of ideas from melbourne. Trying to bring some of those ideas here. Everything will be labelled, so people will be able to pick and choose. Some might not want to eat dumpster dived food. Others might only want to eat dumpster dived food.
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OPEQUIP
Hugo - OpEquip callout came from Oakland and is also underway in Australasia, and here in sydney. Idea is to refurbish old computers, load open-source software and distribute to those who need them. Would like to hear people's suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
Bernie - maybe we also need to help people with training
Marc - we could teach programming? There are a few organisations that do that sort of thing. Trying to think of their names. Reminded of the one laptop per child program. Wonder if it's possible to get access to those computers.
Bernie - would it be possible to have computers setup at a free school to teach people how they can use their computers? Teach people how to do street computing - use wireless networks. Where people can go to access internet and access power to recharge.
Darcy - library of NSW has wifi.
Bernie - how do you go about using a laptop out and about.
Hugo - does anyone want to volunteer to refurbish computers?
Marc - I can do that.
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PODCAST
Darcy - for may 1st I might launch an occupy cinecast. Lot of friends sympathise with the movement, film critics.
[meeting interrupted as J9 takes broom from site and causes confrontation]
Hugo - more of an update, but looking for help with Podcast. Recorded material for Resource Exploitation podcast. Also recorded several hours for Homelessness and Housing Unaffordability episodes. Transcriptions would really help. Otherwise it's all coming along at a slow, steady pace.
Kat - Occupy Melbourne media crew are working on a podcast. Humorous take on the news.
Rain - working on a 1950's style gangster film with Mayor Doyle as Don Doyle. Filmed a few videos. Have to engage people with humour. Can't be serious all the time
Darcy - Radio Occupy in London. Last ep in February. 5 ep in total. Occupy the Airwaves. Citizen Radio has been constant. Puts 20min each episode aside for the Occupy movement.
---
TREATY
Bob - include call for fair and just treaty in acknowledgement of country. Treaty with first people of this nation.
Jacob - Bob's point was that we should call for a treaty to acknowledge the sovereignty of the first people of this land. As an attempt to have a fair and just resolution to the occupation of Australia. Has been brought up before as a proposal. Indigenous occupiers opposed it. Any treaty would be between Government and Professional Aboriginals. Also a bit patronising to suppose there is one homogenous group of Aboriginal people. I propose we put this off to another meeting where Bob can speak to it.
Darcy - good to hear from Lyle on this subject, being an
Jacob - A treaty might just be a matter of assuaging white guilt without any proper recitation.
Marc - If a treaty doesn't produce anything meaningful, then it is just an acknowledgement.
Jacob - I'd support a requirement for the first nations to get Six Senators, just as the States do.
Marc - seems to be a push on to form a treaty. Maybe more informed position will come out of a new ATSIC like body.
Bernie - my understanding from Australia day, when I watched the 40th anniversary of the tent embassy, seemed that the representation was to go back to their native land to create some sort of document on their own. While I like the idea to continually apologise, but I'd rather be behind supporting a self-determined sort of treaty.
Darcy - also help clarify what occupy around Australia stand for. If Sydney could make a stand, we could have other occupy sites follow. All comes back to capitalism and slavery. Some people have left, or have been indifferent to occupy, because of our inability to speak on indigenous issues.
Hugo - In 2009 Gaddafi addressed the UN telling the west that they owed Africa $7.7trillion in compensation. He was dismissed as a lunatic. But $7.7 trillion is probably a low estimate. Lyle reminded me this the other day, talking about a movement to claim back-pay for the rent owed to the original owners of the land. We aren't talking in abstract terms. This is a concrete fact. Land was stolen and if we are going to have justice then a price has to be paid. Back payment for rent. With interest. Thing that really pisses me off is those people who criticise this analysis as blac-arm-band. This is not black-arm-band. We are still on land that was stolen. That's just a simple fact. And if you put it in market terms, there is a very real debt owed.
Jacob - also important to acknowledge that the theft is ongoing. Number of aboriginal groups engaging in enterprise, where they have been successful, land has been stolen. Eg. pilbarra. We are not talking about historical events, but events happening today.
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Mushy - [REDACTED]
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Mushy - nepalese lady and her husband have a restaurant on King St. She was really upset. Basically dominos pizza moved in next door. Made noise and mess as they were moving in. Used sabotage tactics to scare customers away. Has caused her restaurant to close down. A shout out for her, to see what we could do about it. There is a newspaper article about it. I should bring it in. She knew of occupy, wanted to ask us for help.
Jacob - I know of several businesses that have had a bit of success by opening Facebook groups and calling on support from local community when they have been targeted by large corporates. Duck into the library and create the group on Facebook. Could see the beginning of a campaign. Could evolve.
Hugo - have a bit of a different perspective. Rents on King st are huge. Even really successful businesses have hard time covering costs and paying proper wages. The landowners have a sweet deal in all this. Businesses come and go on King St. Common story. Perhaps we should call on a rent strike for all local businesses on King St?
Darcy - Cinq has also closed down on King St.
Jacob - even brief rent-strikes can be effective.
Hugo - rent-strike could have end goal of reducing rent across the board, say by 30%.
Marc - that could be the start of something very interesting...
---
SHOWTRIAL OF POLICE COMISSIONER
Jacob - headquarters of NSW police is out at Parramatta. Vicki has proposed a peoples' trail against commissioner in light of highly dubious work conducted by police against occupy sydney and in general.
Mushy - you were saying you were against it?
Jacob - I'm opposed to it because anti-police actions don't get much traction. Parramatta is not a great location for street theatre. Hard to get people out at parramatta.
Darcy - Vicki's thing was to make it spontaneous. I just thought I'd bring it up because of this Facebook thing. But maybe we should adjourn it until Vicki is here…
Mushy - always open for discussion more.
Darcy - think we'll be seeing more actions out at parramatta. Have tickets to climate change conference. Possible action around that. The national climate change office aren't going to be having any sort of free-school, zines or projects. I think we can challenge their way of organising things.
Jacob - yeah, it's very top-down.
Darcy - think it's good if we can have one agenda item a week to talk about suburban actions. They're the people who are really feeling it.
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Proposals:
PASSED - Freeschool session at 8pm to extend the Sydney City Talk on 30 April (regardless of if there is an occupy sydney speaker at the City Talk)
PASSED - Put forward Marc Ahrens as our first speaker, and Lily as our second speaker for the City Talk on Poverty and Plenty.
PASSED - City Talk on Poverty Working Group on Monday 23rd at 5pm at Martin Place
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Jacob - Facilitation
Darcy - Time Keeper
Hugo - Minutes
#notes on minutes; May contain errors and mistranslation. Also includes paraphrasing.
Acknowledgement of Country
Annoucements/Reportbacks
Agenda Items:
OPEQUIP
PODCAST
DOMINOS VS NEPALESE RESTAURANT
TREATY
SHOWTRIAL OF POLICE COMMISSIONER
---
Reportbacks
Jacob- City talk, WG voted to put Marc Ahrens forward as speaker and, if we are afforded two spots, Lil as second speaker . Also decided to extend the talk with our own forum after the event - in the form of free-school talks.
Bernie - couple of report backs; occupy friday occupy the courts. I was a tent monster. Walked from here down to downing st. Found it effective. Walking around in a tent caught people's attention, raised awareness.
Occupy Sydney zine; gmail and google group open. Wednesday for submissions. occupysydneyzine@gmail.com. Google group; occupy sydney zine. Meeting on Wednesday at 5pm at Martin Place.
Marc - report back on psychohegemony working group. I'm the only poster. Post infrequent and long emails. About to post response to an episode of the health report on Radio National. Norman Swan presents it, said some rather innacuraite things. I've written a 15pg response. Thinking of sending it to him. Biggest error was that he mischaracterised the argument against SSRIs. Took data that drugs work better than placebo. But in fact the skeptics have never said that. Went through papers, found that many of the Venroflaxine trails are biased funded by industry. I will post my response tonight to the Occupy Sydney Psychohegemony google group.
Jacob - Next working group on City Talk on Poverty and Plenty Forum will be on Monday 23rd at 5.30pm at Martin Place.
Kat - kitchen wg report back. Had a discussion last night. Pretty much just a start. Flooding of ideas. Went around the circle talking about food, where we get food from, food supply, ethics etc. Have a bunch of notes. Will be starting a google group to write up points and continue the discussion.
Bernie - I'm always buying food here and there and it would be good to know what keeps.
Darcy - at the moment we are going to scout dumpster dives from organic shops.
Kat - heaps of ideas from melbourne. Trying to bring some of those ideas here. Everything will be labelled, so people will be able to pick and choose. Some might not want to eat dumpster dived food. Others might only want to eat dumpster dived food.
---
OPEQUIP
Hugo - OpEquip callout came from Oakland and is also underway in Australasia, and here in sydney. Idea is to refurbish old computers, load open-source software and distribute to those who need them. Would like to hear people's suggestions, ideas, thoughts?
Bernie - maybe we also need to help people with training
Marc - we could teach programming? There are a few organisations that do that sort of thing. Trying to think of their names. Reminded of the one laptop per child program. Wonder if it's possible to get access to those computers.
Bernie - would it be possible to have computers setup at a free school to teach people how they can use their computers? Teach people how to do street computing - use wireless networks. Where people can go to access internet and access power to recharge.
Darcy - library of NSW has wifi.
Bernie - how do you go about using a laptop out and about.
Hugo - does anyone want to volunteer to refurbish computers?
Marc - I can do that.
---
PODCAST
Darcy - for may 1st I might launch an occupy cinecast. Lot of friends sympathise with the movement, film critics.
[meeting interrupted as J9 takes broom from site and causes confrontation]
Hugo - more of an update, but looking for help with Podcast. Recorded material for Resource Exploitation podcast. Also recorded several hours for Homelessness and Housing Unaffordability episodes. Transcriptions would really help. Otherwise it's all coming along at a slow, steady pace.
Kat - Occupy Melbourne media crew are working on a podcast. Humorous take on the news.
Rain - working on a 1950's style gangster film with Mayor Doyle as Don Doyle. Filmed a few videos. Have to engage people with humour. Can't be serious all the time
Darcy - Radio Occupy in London. Last ep in February. 5 ep in total. Occupy the Airwaves. Citizen Radio has been constant. Puts 20min each episode aside for the Occupy movement.
---
TREATY
Bob - include call for fair and just treaty in acknowledgement of country. Treaty with first people of this nation.
Jacob - Bob's point was that we should call for a treaty to acknowledge the sovereignty of the first people of this land. As an attempt to have a fair and just resolution to the occupation of Australia. Has been brought up before as a proposal. Indigenous occupiers opposed it. Any treaty would be between Government and Professional Aboriginals. Also a bit patronising to suppose there is one homogenous group of Aboriginal people. I propose we put this off to another meeting where Bob can speak to it.
Darcy - good to hear from Lyle on this subject, being an
Jacob - A treaty might just be a matter of assuaging white guilt without any proper recitation.
Marc - If a treaty doesn't produce anything meaningful, then it is just an acknowledgement.
Jacob - I'd support a requirement for the first nations to get Six Senators, just as the States do.
Marc - seems to be a push on to form a treaty. Maybe more informed position will come out of a new ATSIC like body.
Bernie - my understanding from Australia day, when I watched the 40th anniversary of the tent embassy, seemed that the representation was to go back to their native land to create some sort of document on their own. While I like the idea to continually apologise, but I'd rather be behind supporting a self-determined sort of treaty.
Darcy - also help clarify what occupy around Australia stand for. If Sydney could make a stand, we could have other occupy sites follow. All comes back to capitalism and slavery. Some people have left, or have been indifferent to occupy, because of our inability to speak on indigenous issues.
Hugo - In 2009 Gaddafi addressed the UN telling the west that they owed Africa $7.7trillion in compensation. He was dismissed as a lunatic. But $7.7 trillion is probably a low estimate. Lyle reminded me this the other day, talking about a movement to claim back-pay for the rent owed to the original owners of the land. We aren't talking in abstract terms. This is a concrete fact. Land was stolen and if we are going to have justice then a price has to be paid. Back payment for rent. With interest. Thing that really pisses me off is those people who criticise this analysis as blac-arm-band. This is not black-arm-band. We are still on land that was stolen. That's just a simple fact. And if you put it in market terms, there is a very real debt owed.
Jacob - also important to acknowledge that the theft is ongoing. Number of aboriginal groups engaging in enterprise, where they have been successful, land has been stolen. Eg. pilbarra. We are not talking about historical events, but events happening today.
---
Mushy - [REDACTED]
---
Mushy - nepalese lady and her husband have a restaurant on King St. She was really upset. Basically dominos pizza moved in next door. Made noise and mess as they were moving in. Used sabotage tactics to scare customers away. Has caused her restaurant to close down. A shout out for her, to see what we could do about it. There is a newspaper article about it. I should bring it in. She knew of occupy, wanted to ask us for help.
Jacob - I know of several businesses that have had a bit of success by opening Facebook groups and calling on support from local community when they have been targeted by large corporates. Duck into the library and create the group on Facebook. Could see the beginning of a campaign. Could evolve.
Hugo - have a bit of a different perspective. Rents on King st are huge. Even really successful businesses have hard time covering costs and paying proper wages. The landowners have a sweet deal in all this. Businesses come and go on King St. Common story. Perhaps we should call on a rent strike for all local businesses on King St?
Darcy - Cinq has also closed down on King St.
Jacob - even brief rent-strikes can be effective.
Hugo - rent-strike could have end goal of reducing rent across the board, say by 30%.
Marc - that could be the start of something very interesting...
---
SHOWTRIAL OF POLICE COMISSIONER
Jacob - headquarters of NSW police is out at Parramatta. Vicki has proposed a peoples' trail against commissioner in light of highly dubious work conducted by police against occupy sydney and in general.
Mushy - you were saying you were against it?
Jacob - I'm opposed to it because anti-police actions don't get much traction. Parramatta is not a great location for street theatre. Hard to get people out at parramatta.
Darcy - Vicki's thing was to make it spontaneous. I just thought I'd bring it up because of this Facebook thing. But maybe we should adjourn it until Vicki is here…
Mushy - always open for discussion more.
Darcy - think we'll be seeing more actions out at parramatta. Have tickets to climate change conference. Possible action around that. The national climate change office aren't going to be having any sort of free-school, zines or projects. I think we can challenge their way of organising things.
Jacob - yeah, it's very top-down.
Darcy - think it's good if we can have one agenda item a week to talk about suburban actions. They're the people who are really feeling it.
----
Proposals:
PASSED - Freeschool session at 8pm to extend the Sydney City Talk on 30 April (regardless of if there is an occupy sydney speaker at the City Talk)
PASSED - Put forward Marc Ahrens as our first speaker, and Lily as our second speaker for the City Talk on Poverty and Plenty.
PASSED - City Talk on Poverty Working Group on Monday 23rd at 5pm at Martin Place
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